kira rollins joins us by phone. thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you. megyn: what is the name of your baby? >> his name is kel len. megyn: you and kellen were there yesterday doing shopping. what was the first inclination you had there was danger ? >> after the second, the two shots that were fired, everybody kind of started looking at each other, there was more shots and everybody started to hit the ground and i held my baby, he was sleeping on my arms, in my arms and kind of just squeezed him really tightly. as i was going to go to the ground, more shots were fired and then that flight kicked in and threw him into the stroller and just started running when everybody started screaming and just headed my, headed for the exit. megyn: did you realize at once it was gunshots? >> yes, i did. yeah. there were so many. megyn: it is so out of the blue i imagine. you're there at macy's. >> it never expect to hear something like that. i never heard something so close. i never heard gunshots so close before. i didn't know where they were coming from but i knew th